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tv   The Beat With Ari Melber  MSNBC  October 31, 2017 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT

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>> we know trust is getting better. is it still shaky? or is there a level of distrust to break through? >> i think with that community still many issues are concerned. some of that has certainly increased with the issues over the last several years on the efforts of immigration. those are unresolved dilemmas at the moment and some of the tension between federal government, the local police, the so-called sanctuary city issues. those are still very contemporary and have not yet been resolved. >> all right. commissioner of new york city he and los angeles, as he mentioned, among other things. thank you for coming. on that's all i have for tonight. ari melber will pick up with this story. it's all yours. >> thank you. and our coverage of this deadly attack does continue right now. a cowardly act of terror against innocent people. that according to new york city's mayor, warning the city to to have stay alert.
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>> we ask all new yorkers to live by, if you see something, say something. if you see anything unusual. >> that from a security briefing that finished moments ago. the first lady is in new york tweeting out her support saying my heart breaks for nyc today. here's what we know at this moment. a man driving a home depot truck on to a bike and pedestrian path went to to kill eight and injure 15. >> after the collision, the driver of the truck, a 29-year-old male,ed brandished two handguns. the police officer assigned to the first precinct confronted the suspect and shot him in the abdom abdomen. the subject was wounded and taken to a local hospital. a paint ball gun is a pellet gun
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were recovered at the scene. >> on this video you can see the suspect moving through the street. apparently with one of those guns essentially fake guns. this was in broad daylight. the video appears to match what law enforcement had described. a youngish male. late 20s or early 30s with a middle eastern appearance. nypd now has the suspect in custody. senior law enforcement officials telling nbc news, this was believed to be an intentional act and is now being investigated tonight by the nypd as a possible terrorist incident. i repeat, the nypd tonight, this halloween evening after this harrowing event with eight dead, is investigating this as a terrorist incident. witnesses were shaken immediately this afternoon over an attack during just blocks from the world trade center. >> a guy got out with a biker jacket and started shooting up
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the place. >> when i got out, i saw two gentlemen with tire marks across their body. could you tell that they're not here no more. >> how many gunshots did you hear? >> over five. it was very fast. one after the other. >> this is an unfolding terror investigation at this hour. i i i'm with counter intelligence at the fbi, this is a sad and tough day for new york. walk us through what you made of the briefing we heard from authorities, what we know at this hour and whether as we always ask in a situation like this, whether people have reason to be afraid or from what we've heard, this appears to be a closed incident in new york. >> well, people have reason to be alert. that's what i would say. i think it seems like it is a closed incident. as the hours tick by, things get safer when we don't have a quick
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follow-on attack. it pays to be alert into the evening. some other actor could be inspired. i think what we got out of the news conference is the police are pretty sure, the behavior, the long crime scene, seven to 14 blocks in a pedestrian area. the rental truck, the crashing into the school bus, the coming out with the bb guns or paint ball guns, yelling allahu akhbar, all of this is consistent. >> as people digest this incident, not what people want to hear about on a halloween evening. a time of celebration typically around the country for families and certainly in new york city. we're looking at the overhead scenes. 6:04 p.m. eight dead. 15 injured. two of the deaths were pronounced dead at the hospital, according to nypd. and you're citing two pieces of evidence. one, the types of pellet guns at
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the scene and two accounts now from law enforcement and witnesses of the yelling of allahu akhbar. >> we've seen terrorists around the world use fake guns, real guns. we've seen they will use hoax bombs as well. we've seen the vehicle attacks. this guy was clearly suicidal. he knew he would be confronted by the police if he is mowing everybody down. he knows he's holding handguns. he knows what police officers will do in a situation like that. they'll shoot they will. so is he an inspired actor? on the internet? i think that's very likely. we don't know. is he a one off guy, not a directed attack by a real direct connection to isis or al qaeda? more likely it is an inspired attack. a lone mad dog doing this attack. i think they're on his game here. they'll be interviewing him and he'll be singing like he's a
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broadway play because he's trying to tell them why did he there and give all his reasons. that's why he's yelling in the street, his reasons for his mass murder. >> you're speaking to not only the potential motive but also what we know about the suspect. limited at this hour because of the way he spoke out. i have frank with me and jim me. i want to ask you to stay with me. we now have unfolding in what is a breaking news scenario, on the phone who is close to the season in lower manhattan. ron, where are you and what do you know? >> reporter: i'm just at the end of the bike path two blocks from the world trade center. i'm actually in the middle of a crowd of students from a high school. the school very close to the scene of the attack. and they're all leaving the school now. they were hunkered down is that there on hold. they've all been streaming out of the school and walking down,
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wearing halloween cost zpuums. it is quite a scene. we've seen parents coming into the neighborhood. west street is an urban highway and the bike path lines it. it is also a residential neighborhood. a lot of apartment buildings, cond minute-ups here. especially even during the middle of the day. around 3:00 or so when all of this started happening. at this point, there are still a number of ambulances here. we saw the last of the injured taken away. about an hour or so ago. the police had the area still sealed off. there doesn't seem to be any sense of alarm or concern from the authorities, as if they are trying to find something or find anything. it has dialed down over the last
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hour or so. people are trying to get their heads around what happened. >> speak to that point because we are looking at live images from the scene. we're seeing the authorities, nypd and others, some of this is file footage. a lot of what we're looking at are scenes that look under control and we were showing our viewers a briefing from authorities that made the point, while it is good to be alert, the governor of new york is encouraging people in this city to continue on as normal tonight. so while this is a harrowing attack with eight dead, what the mayor described at innocent deaths. your view of moving on the ground, that you're not seeing anything like an open crisis on the ground? >> reporter: this is new york city. you live here and this is what you live with every day. the threat of this and people get on with it. and that's what the message was from the mayor and the governor. if you see something, say
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something. it sounds so cliche but it is so important. that's what people are doing. there are halloween parties all over the city. people gathering, kids in the streets. my daughter is out there with her classmates. parents are concerned but they're getting on with it. i'm sure there are some who will hunker down and stay at home but the streets here are alive. people are getting on with their lives. and the authorities have roped off the area where they're doing an investigation. but in some areas, traffic is moving back along and people are getting on with it. people are trying to digest this. when it started, it seemed like a more innocent thing. the idea that there has been a terrorist attack in this city where eight people have been killed andle more injured, and the numbers may increase as always is a possibility on in
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these situations, i think that's stunning to a lot of people. it is something you need to get your head around. so i think there will be a lot of caution tonight. a lot of concern tonight bust new yorkers are determined to get on with it. >> ron allen reporting live from lower manhattan with that view on the ground. thank you. and i think we'll be reporting on your reporting here he at msnbc as we continue to track this event. i turn now to pete williams. a journalist who has been through many of these crises he and tracked the federal law enforcement response. what can you tell us tonight? >> well, a couple things first have to be said about the investigative work going on right now. number one, authorities believe they know who this is. they have a drivers license that was on the man who was shot when he was taken into the hospital. they believe that the driver's license that they have is,
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matches the person that you see here in this video that is believed to be the person who drove car, the truck down the bike path and fired the shots from his bb gun. they say he is he a 29-year-old man. we believe he has been living, or lived at one point in tampa, florida. we believe that he entered the u.s. in 2010 as an uzbek national and is here as a lawful, permanent resident. has a green card. we frankly have heard several different versions of his name with different spellings. so until we're absolutely 100% certain which is the right spelling, we're going to hold off on saying the name until we're absolutely certain. we think we have a good idea. but the point is, the federal authorities and the new york authorities think they have a good idea. so what will happen now? number one, he rented this truck. that's a very big investigative
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lead. he'll be looking at the forms that he filled out. questioning the people who were there when he filled out the forms. secondly, it is very hard to travel anywhere in america without leaving a trail. so they will now try to trace his steps. and i mean that metaphorically. his movements leading to the moment of the attack. they will build a reverse time line and they have a lot to look at. they can look at footage in new york city. they can look at surveillance cameras on all the bridges and tunnels that lead into manhattan. they can look at credit card receipts, toll receipts, motels. that sort of thing to trace his movements leading into new york city. so that is, if you will, starting on the manhattan end and going backwards. on the other end, if that turns out to be tampa or if he was living in another address or another state, they will try to then work forward from those places.
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they'll trace his movements from there. they'll talk to zprenlds family. they'll trace his had social media. they'll look at people he was talking on. and then one of the big differences between this and some of the other recent attacks we've been through is, he survived the attack. so authorities will try to question him and very often surprisingly, even in terror attacks, people involved in these situations do end up talking. so a big question, of course, is why was he self-radicalized? the bigger question is is there someone who helped him? did someone give him money? suggest it to him? did someone drive him into town? all those questions they'll try to answer and it is simply too soon to know the answer to any of those questions. the point is there's a very rich line of investigation to follow from many different directions that will involve nypd on the local wend the help of the fbi on the other end.
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>> when you see authorities refer to this as a terror investigation, walk us through what that means and how they got to that point and whether we should infer whether this is ultimately likely to be deemed, at least in the eye of the federal authorities, a u.s. terror attack in new york city tonight. >> as a practical manner, it seals like journalists are more interested in the label than law enforcement. the fbi will help out. they'll share this jointly with nypd so i don't think there's going to be any jurisdictional battle here about who takes the lead. as to why it is a terror attack, what you heard the police commissioner say is what we've been told for two simple reasons. it follows the pattern of recent terror attacks. it is what terror groups have asked people to do.
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and secretaondly,le witnesses s when he jumped out of the truck, he yelled out allahu akhbar, which means god is great. until they get any information from him or his searches of his social media or home, there is no way to corroborate that. so what you see is what they see as well. that's why they have to assume this is it. it seems pretty obvious at this point that's what it will turn out to be but they can't say for certain until they run it down. >> right. pete williams, thank you very much for sharing the latest with us. incredibly help ofl a difficult night in new york city. i turn now to eric swalwell. we're seeing this, our reporting showing what u.s. and new york authorities have been saying, that this looks like terrorism in new york city. your response. >> good evening. we're all new yorkers today. we've been with new york before.
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we're with them tonight. and especially the families who lost loved ones today. it looks like terrorism. you look at some planning went into this. the direction that the driver drove in the wrong direction in a bicycle rich area. it is also halloween and i don't think you can discount that if you look at prior attacks. that's relevant. bastilt ostille day was a metho snake it was used in london and barcelona and even ohio state university. >> congressman, you think it is not a quince dense poe flings this happens on halloween night in new york city? >> it is something that needs to be run down. there's a halloween parade in greenwich village tonight not too far from that area. and sometimes american holidays, holidays across the globe are used as days to launch attacks because more people are out. >> in that spirit, i want to
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read something just coming into the newsroom as we report on this attack. eight dead. a suspect in custody. and the new york city halloween parade will go on as planned. >> good. >> this is from the new york city mayor's office. your response? >> good. we won't be scared. whether it is in new york city or any corner of manager. we've been attacked before. we've honored the dead but we are resilient and i don't think this will shake us. >> and congressman, your view then of where the all heads. this looks to be, if it does land as a terror incident, the highest body count in the united states in all of 2017. as other reporters have pointed out. there is the question about how you prevent anything and we've had reports in new york with how people here don't live as if you can get the threat down to zero. and speak, if you will, bagsed in this early setting about what pete williams was reporting that
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this looks to be a legal foreign national which is something the authorities look at when they're trying to figure out motive and the trail. >> if this was indeed a terrorist attack, it demonstrates again that this method of attack, using a vehicle, a truck, is going to continue to be a threat for all of us. in law enforcement, we have to give them help. neighbors may see something unusual that need to alert to that and pass it along to law enforcement. that may be the greatest intervention opportunity that we have. >> congressman swalwell, digesting this and reacting as we've heard from other authorities and leaders in new york that people will go on tonight as we process a horrific attack. thank you for joining our breaking coverage. if you're just joining us, it is
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6:18 on the east coast. eight dead in this attack and over a dozen injured. pete williams was part of our breaking coverage and he was talking about leads that nbc reporters have been chasing down together and trying to figure out who this suspect is that's in custody and where this goes from here. he mentioned there wasn't quite, within about five minutes ago, confirmable information. we have breaking news coming out of our world headquarters in new york. tom is working the case. what is the latest? >> so we feel pretty comfortable right now from law enforcement sources in identifying the suspect of this terrorist attack. sayfullo saipov. he was born in february of 1988. he is identified as a uzbekistan national. he came into the united states in 2010. and that's the information that is coming off of the
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identification that was found on him at the scene and police feel confident identifying him. he killed eight in new york city. they're working down leads as far as any sort of contakts that he may have had. does he have any sort of contacts tied to a terrorism list somewhere. any prior contacts with law enforcement. that's where the investigation stands literally right now. in addition to that, they're also trying to track down where this truck may have been rented from. they have license plate of the truck. but where that license plate is from and we're aware of that information is not necessarily where the truck was rented from. it is a corporate address. when you go on vacation and you rent a rental car from hertz or avis, you may rent in it massachusetts but it has license plate from louisiana. so they'll try to track it down with home depot. they're cooperating in the investigation, trying to find out where the truck was rented from, to build a chronology
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here. the immediate chronology, the attack, according to the commissioner, happened at 3:05 today in new york city. where that attack occurred and where it ended up. they have enough cameras there. they have tremendous angles of the immediate moments leading up to the attack and following it. from here now they'll start to use license plate readers. they'll look at all the various camera systems that are part of the nish if i have the nypd has, the system to track back, if it wasn't from new york city. when did it come in? where did it come from? and start to go back in time to discover when the person initiated the attack. that's the latest we know from people in the investigation, from people directly briefed on it. that's where we're at right now. >> fresh reporting coming in. i want to you stay with me. you're basically reporting the
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who. and to some degree, the where. at least with the >> walk us through in your experience, what happens now? >> so first, two quick comments. new york city is the best city in america to deal with this. largely because they're the most targeted city in america. secondly, while in most cases like this, early information is often wrong information. it is clearly appearing that we have a treasure trove already of intelligence to follow because we have a suspect this custody. here's what's going on. it is going on now. there's a joint operations center that has been informed, well rehearsed. atf, marshals, all hands on deck. behind the scenes, that address on that driver's license is already likely under
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surveillance by an fbi team in florida or wherever else that address is coming back to, all known addresses. they're running a search warrant. it is probably already signed by a magistrate. fbi s.w.a.t. teams are already suiting up for a tactical industry into his known or believed residences, wherever they are in the country. if it is florida, that's where they're staging. fbi bomb techs will deploy forward to those locations because of the risk that they're bobby trammed. so this is a carefully organize straight plan going on right now. >> do you want to speak to that and how that matches what authorities are doing? >> we have some mutual friends in common. this is a well rehearsed and a well put together operation. the fbi unfortunately because of the amount of terrorism we've had in this country, this has become a well oiled operation. so you have the operation on the ground.
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they'll try to figure out, where did he get this pellet or bb gun? and then on top of that, they'll try to look and figure out exactly where he was immediately before this. is there another location they need to look is that? is there evidence of that location to look into? to frank's point, at his house in florida, they have to search that house. there is a concern for federal agent safety. was there something there they need to look at or into to make sure there's nothing that will harm them? and then they need to gather evidence as we well frng these investigations. it is about the electronics. did he search for something on his computer? was he self-ruladicalized? what time of literature was he looking at? what publications was he looking at? what's on his cell phone if they recovered one at the scene? what was his recent internet history. the ability to download it and ref it is something that's part
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of the fbi's team. their computer analysis team that will look at this and start to develop an electronic profile of the person who did this attack today. >> you talk about a profile. you have an individual from somewhere else. and then is now here in new york today. killing people. and as a city we process that and mourn those deaths. there's always the question of, did this person from a law enforcement perspective come here to do this or did they happen to be from somewhere else, like so many people and like so many american citizens, and then later turn to crime or terror as some people do? i'll not asking to you diagnose the answer with this individual at this early hour. but walk us through how authorities pursue those news and why that can or cannot matter. >> so this is where the fbi's
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joint terrorism task forces come in. the fbi is both a law enforcement agency and an intelligence agency. so they are right now on the phone on secure phones, to ft. mead, and langley, virginia, and craft headquarters, and they're asking to scrub all files. all electronic eavesdropping. has this guy ever come across before? the fbi is checking, have we ever interviewed this guy? has there ever been a complaint? the other thing is, has he ever been under surveillance? one of the worst-case scenarios we discussed when i was director, was the worst nightmare for a surveillance agent, to be watching suspect and watch something play out. what happens? do we have lethal force authority? these office here's took this guy out are heroes. what i would like to know more is, was this a quince against they were in the right place at the right time or was there something more to it?
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>> thank you. we'll come back to you later. i want to bring in evan, an nbc terror analyst and someone our viewers are familiar with on sad nights like this. on what should be a celebratory night and what for most americans still will be. we look at and you say something bad happened. in this case, eight killed. over 12 injured. authorities digging into what looks to be a terror investigation. walk us through what we need to know. >> so far there haven't been any claims of credit or responsibility from isis or anybody else really. nothing credible. if you look at the facts so far, what we know what happened here, there's very good reason to believe if this is isis inspired, that's probably the extent of it. number one, isis just put out a whole magazine a few months ago
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where they talked about how easy it is to get firearms in the united states. how anyone looking to get a terrorist attack should get themselves a whole bunch of firearms. this individual fade at that. the most he was able to procure was a pellet gun and a paint gun. by isis standards, that's been very successful. they were boasting about how easy it is to get real fire articles in the united states. if you know where this took place, i happen to know this very well. i use this path very frequently. the portion of the exercise path that was selected among least populated areas of this path. if this individual had instead of going south, had gone north, there would be dozen and dozens of people wounded at this point. so if this was a terrorist attack, it possibly was, why was it so poorly planned? why was this person so poorly equipped if this was isis? rather than using a vehicle like in niece which was a massive truck. this was really just a glorified
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pickup truck. >> let's pause on the analysis you're doing. you're citing something that commissioner bratton was speaking about. that this may echo or overlap with a type of vehicle based murder or terror attack that we've seen in europe. but you're making a distinction, that while it overlaps, it doesn't appear nearly as effective as some of those attacks? >> it was very poorly planned. look. honestly, carrying out a vehicle attack is not something that you have to have a p.h.d. to do. being a murderer doesn't require a phd. in london and nice and elsewhere, this does not appear to have been well planned. we don't know for certain and it is fair to say, if this individual is really from the west coast of florida, there have been individuals from this area that traveled over to syria to join groups like isis. and he with don't necessarily know where all of these folks
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are. he however, if this was isis planned, this reflects very poor concept you'llization by the group. if this is them. they really are on their last legs. as much as this is terrible and awful and what we can see is the most graphically successful attack, terrorist attack in the u.s. this year, again, if you look at the area this took place in. not to mention that there is a halloween parade here in new york city. with hundreds, maybe thousands of people on the streets. this guy went off, chose a bike path that was half populated in the middle of the day when there was nobody there. it is close to the world trade center but not really. this is five, six blocks away from the world trade center. it is across a four-lane highway and a major divider. so it is not really next to the world trade center either. the truth is that it is a very strange target for isis to pick or any terrorist to pick. and everything about this so
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far, if it is terrorism, says this was some sort of home grown attack that may or may not have been al qaeda inspired on the internet. tles propaganda that was translated into the uzbek language. so it would have been within this person's grasp. there have been other people here of uzbek origin who have been prosecuted. nothing about this so far says this was the work of an organized terror group. everything suggests this was the work of a wannabe who had a very poor conception and was unfortunately, lucky in what he was able to carry out. >> you make an interesting point and a scary one, quite frankly. although we're not here to scare. we've been reporting that authorities are saying this incident is considered scared. you make the point if you want
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to drive a vehicle into a crowd, there halloween parade which is planned for later tonight and is ongoing, obviously lodge woik dictate would be a much larger crowd. i want to take a little reset. it being 6:30 peop.m. on the ea coast. eight people killed in this attack in new york city. over a dozen more injured. authorities have the suspect who is now identified and in custody. believed to be an uzbeki national who renth a vehicle from home depot and drove it into this small crowd. killing the eight people. entered the united states authorities believe in 2010. they have documentation of him. our experts have been explaining how they'll be tracking down the leads. for more reporting and analysis is the former counter intelligence officer, malcolm
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nance. ron allen whom we heard from earlier from the scene. ron, what is the latest on the ground should. >> reporter: well, i think people are still digesting what has happened. and in true new york mindset, just getting on with it. earlier, i was standing over close to the bike path and there was a huge crowd of students coming out of high school. they were going trick or treating and getting on with their lives. that's the mindset. whether this is an organized attack or a lone wolf. i think the mindset in new york is that this happens in new york. could it happen in new york and people will not be cowed and deterred by it. people will be vigilant. the old cliche of see something
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or say something. i want to point out that the area where this attack happened. the bike path. for the most part, it is very well protected from the sort of thing. there is a guardrail or a path or a barrier that lines much of the route but there's an opening at the intersection where a vehicle, perhaps this one could have driven up. and become a battering ram along the way. many of the streets of this part of manhattan do have barricades. there isn't one here that i can show you but there is protection. you can't do everything possible to eliminate this kind of an incident. i think here in the streets, people are out, in costume. there are these huge gatherings everywhere, around town, halloween parties. i've talked on a number of people. we saw them coming hole from school. parents bringing their kids home from school. has the commercial area, a tourist area, a residential
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area. new york, everything happens in very small confined spaces. there's a lot of life going on here and people are getting on with it. the halloween parties will be gearing up. it is 6:30 in the east. my daughter and her classmates are going to a party and people are concerned but they won't be terribly, they're not going to freak out. i think people will try to keep in perspective what's happening. be very concerned, vigilant but try to get on with and it try to know everything we can. to prevent the next one. and that's where we are. authorities are telling people, be vigilant and get on with your lives and that's what we see has gone. >> ron allen on the ground there close to the scene. you're echoing from what you're seeing in your reporting and what people are feeling. something we've been hearing
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from a lot of experts. malcolm nance, i want to bring you back into the conversation. to look at why it the wouldn't be looked at a high level, foreign based attack. other experts have said it is very early to make any such leaps. and as journalists, we're reflecting that guidance. that's where we stood as of a few minutes ago but there is one official who is not displaying that approach. let me read to you the latest state from the president of the united states which says, we must not allow isis to return or enter our country after defeating they will in the middle east or elsewhere. enough. that's from moments ago. that's the second tweet in an hour in response to what happened in new york.
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>> well, not extraordinary and should have been expected. for the most part, let me go back to the analysis. evan made a very good point about the question of organization. and whether this was supported. we just don't know whether there's a back story or someone who may have given this individual information. how do you even know about the west side highway bike path unless you've driven there before? i've been right at that intersection, canal street and that bike path. it appears to me, based on my initial analysis, he was following a gps. but someone could have told him, this is where you go. there were hundreds of intersections down canal that he could have gone through and done the same thing. so that length some credence to the fact it was amateurishly planned or at a very low level from someone who may have seen it or looked at google earth and considered that a very heavily
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populated area. and as we all know, further pum bike path, or a few blocks toward the world trade center, he would have gotten more people. so that being said, when it comes to a terrorist individual or a cell, we have no idea when they are planning to go. they have a go/no go mindset that is very hard to predict. >> so what you're saying in the most measured way possible, is that the best thing to do in this instance at this hour would be to ignore the president's apparent reference to suggest or tie this to isis. because we just don't know. >> you don't know whether it is isis. and al qaeda is pushing the exact sail ideology. they are older, deeper and longer in this game. however, we know one thing that's empirically supported. isis had one of the largest numbers of uzbek populations in
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the middle east. even in syria. until we do get real hard intelligence on this individual, these are a little preemptive. that i know will be tied into politics and immigration at some point but the guy has been here since 2010. we saw the same problem that happened with the tsarnaev brothers in boston. it could have been an american who was formerly catholic two weeks ago as easily as a person from south asia. >> what people don't know is the fbi has over 60 offices abroad and one of those covers uzbekistan. it will be a late day for those folks. they're waking up and hitting the offices. the family members need to be interviewed. they'll pull identifies there. so this is an international operation. the other thing is, what can we learn from the lack of sophistication of this attack? it is unsophisticated so i'm
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going out on a limb and say there will be a mix of mental health issues, and maybe some perceived motivation. this is not someone who spent a great deal of time planning a sophisticated attack. we have a witness with sound from new york today. >> women and children running toward me. that's when i heard someone say there was a man with a gun. i turned around to get away before the 30 seconds to a minute later i heard gunshots. that's when i got interested and i turned around to see what happened. and temperature point i saw a man laying on the ground who appeared to have been shot. and right next to him, there was another man who was interested. right next to him was the white pickup truck.
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>> that took the lives of eight innocent new yorkers in an act of terror. it is under investigation. i want to bring into the set. you're an individual that has been an expert on this and a leader and a legislator. what do you see here today? >> what is fascinating from the early perspective, you've been rightfully stressing. it is an ongoing investigation. you really shouldn't jump to any conclusions. the things jump out at me is how the new york city police department will react to this. it is halloween. this was done around a school. the question becomes, what was the targeting? was this a random target? he rents the truck in jersey and then drives here? imagine what's going through his mind. is he looking for any gathering
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of individuals? for a school bus? is he looking for a school? i think that a lot of things will hinge upon what one of your analysts said. is there a mix of radicalization and mental health issues? the real challenge now is copy cats. >> this has taken the lives of eight innocent new yorkers, but at a security analysis that you all do, and sometimes in a cold way, it could have taken a lot more lives. >> but he had a paint ball gun and a bb gun. so what does that indicate? that he will get out of the vehicle and do what? >> the their yift case being that having a fake gun. it looked like a real gun would
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lead to it? >> this is all speculation. it leads to, this is not someone who has appeared to be the training of someone who has been overseas and who has military training. this is some random act where he picked an intersection and has gone after individuals in the easiest way possible. we've seen it around the world. in nice and germany and london. one of the things we'll take a look at is what kind of impact would this have around the communities? this is still halloween night. lots of parties going. on so the nypd who is the let people enjoy the celebration. it is an enormously tense moment. that's why there's such a rapid pace right now. >> stay with me. frank, on the halloween point, how confident are authorities when they say we're going to continue if they had something akin to much more specific intelligence or warnings, presumably they would act on
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that in contrast to what they've said tonight. >> so here's what's probably going on now. they're trying to decide how to advise plar advise police departments around the country on how to help on halloween night. i would not be surprised if they suggested increased vigilance and patrols. the copycat factor, absence any other factor, just that alone is cause for concern. >> we've been mostly focused on the who, what, where, and when, and what we can glean from this event in new york city. i want to broaden our lens and bring in hallie jackson. pouring into the newsroom right now is something that has become a bit of a sad thing. you are talking about a global
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terror threat. the mayor of london, london stands in grief and solidarity with the great city of new york tonight. a statement from a leader of another city plagued by violence, chicago mayor rahm emanuel. we stand in solidarity with new york city in the wake of this horrific attack. the prayers of every american are with new york this difficult day. the leader of the minority party, chuck schumer, also new coming into our newsroom. thoughts with the victims and their families. he is also a new york senator. it is critical we learn what we can from this incident. the scourge of terrorism unfortunately still with us and we must remain vigilant. what reporting do you have and are you hearing from the lawn of the white house? >> reporter: so number one, what has stood out in some of the statements we've sfraenl the capitol have been the phrasing of an act of terror or linking there to terror. president trump so far including
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in a tweet with not the last maybe ten minutes or so has not explicitly called this an act of terror but did he seem to link to it isis. he said we must not allow isis to return or enter our country after defeating they will in the middle east and elsewhere. enough. this comes after a first tweet in which he said, it looks like another attack by a very sick and deranged person. law enforcement is follow this closely. adding, not in the usa. >> let's just pause, as an interviewer, i don't know if it is where you were going or not. that alone is quite different from the way most white houses -- go ahead. >> reporter: you're making the right point here. typically we would see a statement that is not quite as perhaps emphatic as this one is. let me put it in the context of this administration. this is similar to what the president has tweeted in the past including by the way, for example, some of the attacks in london that you just referenced from reading the statement from
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the london mayor. in some of those, specifically the two attacks in london. the president has tried to link this to his travel ban which has raise someday questions in washington. that's not the case at this point here tonight. i think, and i appreciate you stopping and making that point. while this is something, and i would say tohe tone we have see in the past. the president came out via his press secretary with the white house saying he's receiving multiple briefings. sending thoughts and prayers to those affected by this. so that's what's happening in the west wing. i've been told the president has been updated multiple times. we're not sure what has been unfolding. and first lady melania trump is in new york. trump tower is with five miles from where this happened in lower manhattan at this bike path here. and while something like this is
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horrific for any president, forgot president, it does hit particularly close to home. >> and the last question i'll ask is, what hangs in the back drop. today was another day that was incredibly unusual in the place you're standing a. press briefing that seemed to be almost, i would say, a sad self parody of trying to change the subject. as the president held forth on whether slavery was defensible. then the other law enforcement challenge. the russia investigation. this is first day since the indictments in the guilty plea all became public yesterday. can you just as a final thought before i let you go, walk us through the day in the life you've seen there. and whether it feels any different or kind of more stable as they are remind that had there is so much responsibility on a night like tonight? >> reporter: let me say from a broad context, when it comes to
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what they're dealing with, number one, what you it's referenced. not just comments creating controversy. but more notably, the indictment and the plea agreement from the special counsel triggered by special counsel investigation. you've gthey're working to roll out this big tax cut, what they hope to be their signature legislation of the fall. tomorrow, and then two days after that, you have the president leaving for a critically important trip to asia. we cannot understate the importance of that trip. multiple countries over the course of 12 days. this is going to be significant on a foreign policy front. all of that is happening now as with the new york city mayor has called act of terror in manhattan. from a news perspective from the white house is a busy one. i will say that time and time again we've stood here and
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talked about terrible attacks. attacks that have taken lives similar to this in the united states and around the world. >> hallie jackson reporting from the white house. thank you very much. we appreciate it. our experts experts are staying and in moments, we're going get a local reporter who's going to be working this story for us who has an update on the suspect's record. we're not taking any breaks, i want to bring back in mike balboni to our coverage. i think in times like this, you have these deaths in new york, you try to make sense of it and you kind of have to do a work around and as i have been reporting, either kind of neglect or put to the side a statement from the top of the federal government which at best seems to overreach the isis reference beyond what our own sources are saying the authorities have, which is they don't have that kind of id for
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this subject yet. >> i think that a lot of people struggle with the question of how much does the white house get, some people think it's instantaneo instantaneous. the first reports are usually wrong. so to talk from washington, d.c. about an incident that happens, you're ultimately going to have some missing information immediately. >> so you're saying less from there tonight would be better? >> it's always good to have as many facts as you can before coming out with something. there's certain events that you simply can't explain. the randomness of this, think about the victims's families. how are they going to come to grips with the randomness, you're in a city of 8 million people and this is what happens
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on a beautiful sunny afternoon? >> you were mentioning being down there at the bike path, new york is the kind of town that you hear about something like this this that is this random and this massive, the calls and texts are coming in, and anyone could be downtown on a bike path in the afternoon. >> i got almost a real-time notice and there's still media coming in right now. but for the most part, looking back on the profile of the individual, we now know is from western florida. it really strikes me that this person did not know new york city. as we talked about a little earlier. i mean he could have gone to 42nd street, he could have gone to other places. it's almost as if someone suggested this spot and he gps'd
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his way over to that spot and took that strip of road, and carried out that attack. there were hundreds of other venues. he didn't seem to know anything about the halloween parades, or halloween for that manner. this is going to get a lot of questions from the fbi as to why he chose that spot. the target is the tactic. whatever you're going to choose to attack, you've got to bring the right weapons system to make it effective. in this case, it almost seems as if it was random. >> anyone who lives in new york, and many of us do in this newsroom, knows john for his tracking down tough stories, you've been looking at a lot of your reports coming in, walk us through what you know, and what i'm seeing from you and tom
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winter about prior interactions with law enforcement. >> intelligence officials say this guy was not on the radar screen when it came to terror, but he worked as a truck driver, and had some traffic infractions in the past, but nothing that would suggest as of now that he was going to carry out any sort of terror attack here in new york. he's a uz bec-- new york where attack happened, new jersey, a county which is about 20 to 30 minutes from here, where he apparently was living, working, spending some time there, and also has that tampa driver's license, so they're looking into what warning signs, if there's any electronic media, anything that suggests that he was
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inspired or had contact with anyone who encouraged him to carry out this kind of attack. witnesses report that he was screaming allah akbar as he was getting out of that home depot pick-up truck. shot in the abdomen, he survived. so they will be questioned him at great length about why he decided to carry out the attack, intelligence officials and the governor tells us this appears to be the work of a lone actor. that there was no evidence of any broader threat or broth at this time. but we know in new jersey nnl rights now, police and fbi agents are going to home depot locations and to addresses that they have for him in pasea county seeing what they can track down about this suspect. no indication that he was plotting anything, at least he wasn't on the radar screen, but what they find in his apartment and how he was able to pay for
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this truck that i guess is $19 for the first 75 minutes and a few bucks extra every 15 minutes after that. that he rented from home depot. and that he apparently drove it from new jersey into new york and targeted the bike path as well as a little school bus that was carrying disabled children. and three disabled children were hurt when that pick-up truck smashed into that school bus in what police say was a deliberate act, not only running down the pedestrians, and the bikers on that bike path, but targeting the kids on that school bus before emerging in that vehicle. >> so your sources believe that as pektd aspect of that attack was also deliberate? >> yes, we're being told that he drove that truck deliberately into that school bus. >> this being a major event and a major terror event according
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to authorities, an apparent terror attack is the language we're seeing, president bill clinton who has kept an office in new york and whose spouse was a new york senator posted new yorkers see this for what it is as -- we thank the nypd, on the current government's side, the acting press secretary at dh srs the acting-this is an apparent act of terrorism that occurred this evening in new york city. i want to thank jonathan for joining us and let him go continue to work his sources. and malcolm nance, and excuse me, i should say evan coleman, when you look at that language in the dhs, a little more restrained, but i would say still based on covering these things, i don't know as much as you do, it seems pretty swift here, based on the information
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they have, the new york authorities, either calling it an act of terror or an apparent act of terrorism, very similar language from dhs, evan. >> it's definitely terrorism. it sure looks like he had ill intent. but do you believe this individual was so sophisticated that he somehow evaded any attempt at what he was doing, and that he traveled to a training camp in syria, absolutely not. everything here suggests this guy was in the too sharp. the fact that he killed and hurt so many people was a very sad and tragic thing and that's part of people carrying out terrorist attacks in an urban area, it's not that difficult to kill and hurt people. but everything about this tells us this individual was a lone wolf, was deluded, probably
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didn't have any contact will be a terrorist group. isis has told people living here in the u.s. that it's very easy to get guns, this guy wasn't able to even achieve that. something that's extremely easy to do. instead of getting a big, big truck like the guy did in nice, this guy's a truck driver, he didn't know that? everyone here tells you this is not someone who was trained in a terrorist training camp. this is a wannabe at best. >> thank you, evan for your reporting. >> evan is very right on these aspects. what this guy could do with the two beebee guns, he could
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carjack a car. so you can't discount the fact that it was a beebee gun or a paint ball gun. i totally agree, it's likely a mad dog, loner, loser, coward. >> jim calvanaugh. my thanks to all our reporters around new york city and our analysts. our break news coverage on this story continues now on "hardball" with chris matthews. eight people are confirmed dead after a man


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